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In-N-Out Wants to Replace Burger King at Vintage Oaks

Company submits an application for design review to build a new restaurant at the site of Burger King. Public workshop scheduled for September 19.

City officials in Novato have confirmed the rumors that have been circulating all summer: In-N-Out Burger wants to construct a new restaurant at the site of at the .

According to Steve Marshall, a senior city planner, In-N-Out has submitted an application for design review that calls for demolition of the existing Burger King at 216 Vintage Way.

Marshall said Wednesday in an e-mail to Novato Patch that a public workshop will be held by the Design Review Commission on Sept. 19 to review the site design, architecture and landscape plan proposed for the new In-N-Out Burger. 

Public notices about the meeting with location and time will be mailed this week, according to Marshall.

Like the lettuce on the burgers, the news is so fresh that project plans have not been delivered to the city, but Marshall expects them to be delivered by the end of the week.

Several messages left with the franchise owner of the Burger King have gone unreturned. Several Patch readers mentioned over the past few weeks that the restaurant was to be shut down, attributing the information to a Burger King employee.

In-N-Out announced that it was for a new restaurant in April  2011. It pinpointed a spot in Ignacio, site of a garden center and adjacent oil changing shop, and presented its plan at a in August 2011. Neighbors in that area immediately spoke up about the noise, lighting and traffic that would cause problems at that location. Eric Lucan, then a candidate for Novato City Council (and eventually successful at winnng a seat) wrote an opinion piece for Novato Patch about the pros and cons of having In-N-Out at that location.

In May, In-N-Out and said it would continue to look for a prime location in Novato. It settled on Vintage Oaks because the company prefers high-visibility locations and looks for “dynamic, high activity areas near retail mass, freeway locations, major intersections and commercial shopping center pads,” according to company literature. It also likes “easy ingress/egress, ability to use our 'classic' image.”

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Michael Douglas September 06, 2012 at 02:23 AM
A perfect spot for in-n-out. Will save many of us in Novato from haveing to go to Mill Valley or Petaluma for that fresh lettuce.
Molly Brown September 06, 2012 at 02:24 AM
I would love to see In & Out at Vintage Oaks!
Herb Derpman September 06, 2012 at 02:38 AM
I wonder when the Management at Burger King is going to tell their employees the gig is up at the end of this month? For the last few months, said Management have been spreading the word about their imminent closure all over town but to keep our lips sealed because the employees haven't been formally told. Those people all have families to support. Shame on you Burger King! Out with the old and in with the In & Out!
Patty Maher September 06, 2012 at 02:52 AM
Maybe we can offset some of the flow of people abandoning Vintage Oaks to shop at the Target that will be in San Rafael. In-N-Out can be mighty enticing!
sheri September 06, 2012 at 03:26 AM
Happy to see Burger King go, but I'm wondering if they're going to demolish anyway, why don't they move into the already empty Fresh Choice building? Only thing I'm bummed out about is that they forced the nursery that was in the old location they wanted to move into and then never moved there, making that place off of Ignacio looking horribly decrepit. Not to mention what in the world happened to the poor nursery?
Travis Howard September 06, 2012 at 03:36 AM
I definitely welcome the change!
mike jones September 06, 2012 at 03:41 AM
Wow I wonder why people in america are fat and lazy.
Tracey Ruiz September 06, 2012 at 03:44 AM
The old Fresh Choice building has already been designated for a new Verizon concept store where customers can try all the products. http://patch.com/A-tDRY
sheri September 06, 2012 at 04:52 AM
Verizon? Really? Ugh I was really hoping to see a nice new restaurant there, not another techy store!
Ryan September 06, 2012 at 05:45 AM
A burger king off the free way looks cheesy.. so glad thats going..but an empty building is also cheesy...would be best if in n out went to vintage oaks and burger king was 100% gone, building and all... but if building stays then an in n out there is an ok alternative.. in n out is much more classy.
Perry Keats September 06, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Bad traffic area for an In-n-Out. Besides, they suck
Sylvia Barry September 06, 2012 at 06:24 AM
First time I see completely one sided vote on Patch. I would like to In-N-Out in Novato even if it's for one reason only - our young adults don't have to drive to Petaluma or Mill Valley - the less they drive on that 101 the safer for them.
Sylvia Barry September 06, 2012 at 06:26 AM
But as usual, I spoke too soon
Jeffrey Schaub September 06, 2012 at 01:44 PM
Awesome!
Novato Chess Club September 06, 2012 at 02:18 PM
great news.....Novato is open for new business
JR September 06, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Well, I like In & Out, but the off ramp at Rowland is congested enough, just wait, it will get worse if they open.
Will Lamers September 06, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Don't like the congestion factor, but of all the fast-food joints, I prefer this one. They employ lots of youth, pay well, and their food is fresh. Don't know how many youth were employed at Burger King, but everytime I go in to an In and Out there are at least a dozen teenagers running the place... I don't always eat fast food, but when I do, it is In & Out.
Jack September 06, 2012 at 04:02 PM
Pfft.. that off ramp is fine. I never have to wait at that light very long, even during rush hour. I am glad to see In-N-Out here, now my fries won't be cold by the time I get home! BTW, glad to see BK leave, only ate there a couple times... and that was enough.
Jack September 06, 2012 at 04:28 PM
"Verizon? Really? Ugh I was really hoping to see a nice new restaurant there, not another techy store!" Obviously you have never visited the only other Verizon store in Marin at Corte Madera. An actual verizon store here makes me very happy, no more hour long waits in line!
Jack September 06, 2012 at 05:52 PM
/Agreed What I also like about them besides the food always being fresh and tasty, is that (unlike most other fast food joints), I never run into a language barrier while trying to order and they have NEVER gotten an order wrong on me. There is nothing worst after a hard day at work than grabbing some fast food on the way home, and finding out they screwed up your entire order when you sit down at the table with your family to eat.
janna nikkola September 06, 2012 at 05:53 PM
This is good news indeed! I hope it works out. Under the category of "Only in America": Only in America would a company demolish a perfectly sound, modern and well-constructed building in order to build a new one in its place in order to fit their standard model -- and at what cost? I'm still glad In-N-Out wants to come to Novato and I think Vintage Oaks would be a perfect spot.
Sylvia Barry September 06, 2012 at 06:05 PM
This is separate from In-N-Out, but agree with 'Only in America'. Only in America would we have the 'Cash for Clunkers car-buying stimulus bill' - I still have my 'clunker' van after walking out of the dealership because I found out they were going to destroy my car so they could sell me a new car while giving me $3,000 incentive.
Norma Dawson September 06, 2012 at 06:05 PM
Me too!!! Thrilled to have Verizon there.
Herb Derpman September 06, 2012 at 10:49 PM
In with the good Out with the... King!? I would be happy to see In & Out at the Vintage Oaks Shopping Center and they are certain to do very well in place of the existing BK Lounge. Not only would their location save hungry road warriors the trip to Petaluma or Mill Valley, but it would also cut down on hunger based road rage incidents as well as pollution. So as you take the first bite of your mouth watering Double-Double with onions animal style, jalapeno's, steaming hot fresh cut fries and your favorite ice cream shake, picture this… * Increase in traffic to the shopping center with an already constricted entry and exit point - Captain Obvious told me this one! * Increase in hungry teens and potential gang members who will congregate and loiter until Vintage Oaks Security chases them away with their high powered flashlights. * Increase in Police calls for service to Vintage Oaks due to unruly fry eaters and various malted issues. * Increase in commentary by our beloved JJG with fancy graphs & statistics showing the percentage of clientele who travel from Wyndover and Bay Vista in search of nutrients. * Most importantly - a superior fast food burger at a great price with fresh ingredients! That’s what I’m talking about!
Tom Benjamin September 07, 2012 at 12:36 AM
In & Out 'Sucks'? compared to all other fast food joints I'll 'Suck' their food any day, but what will this do to Petaluma's Fast Food Economy?
Tracey Ruiz September 07, 2012 at 01:30 AM
Do you think a one-way loop around Vintage Oaks would work for traffic? Traffic would flow in one direction along the front of the mall and all exit in one direction on the road behind. I've always thought it should be considered, especially when it gets super busy around the holidays. Maybe an option when Hanna Ranch project opens and uses those roads to enter and exit.
Bill September 07, 2012 at 04:37 AM
OOPS!!!!! OAKLAND -- A specialized menu is not the only secret popular fast food chain In-N-Out Burger has, a law firm has alleged in a class-action lawsuit filed against the Orange County company. According to the Tidrick Law Firm, In-N-Out burger also has an illegal practice of refusing to hire African-Americans and applicants over 40-years-old. . . . . . . See the IJ article for the rest of this story.
Lothrop Withington Jr. September 07, 2012 at 07:29 AM
sheri - what makes you think they "forced the nursery that was in the old location they wanted to move into and then never moved there" ? Is that just an assumption, or do you know something the rest of us don't. As I understand, In-N-Out never purchased the land because the land under the service station was contaminated. I also understand that the nursery was struggling to turn a profit. Please don't make it look like In-N-Out put them out of business if they went out on their own. Heck, it could have ended up better for them if In-N-Out had bought them out. Closing on their own they probably walked away with nothing.
Michael Jenkins October 01, 2012 at 11:18 PM
It is amazing to me the amount of support a fast food restaurant gets. We all know that fast food is not good for us, but we still want it. The Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults (CARDIA) study (2010) monitored the eating habits, recreation and activity levels of 3,021 young adults over 15 years. The results suggested that fast food can cause extensive health issues, and that the connection goes beyond fast food and obesity. A new report indicates that 50% of adults will be obese by 2030. CARDIA revealed that people who ate fast food two or more times a week experienced an average weight gain of 10 pounds more than study participants who ate fast food less than once a week. The study also proved that regular fast food consumption increased the risk of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes. This risk is heightened further with other lifestyle factors such as alcohol consumption, little exercise and smoking. How about the motto buy local? In-and-out does not purchase any of their products in Marin and NONE of the profits stay in Marin. How about recycling? No. America's fast food culture is hurting more than our waist lines. With its grab-and-go, overly packaged food stuffed with unnecessary condiments, fast food outlets are our country's primary source of urban litter and a significant hurdle to local communities' waste diversion goals. Yes, I get it. It tastes good and it's cheap. If cigarettes were cheap and taste good would you smoke?

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