In-N-Out Neighborhood Meeting Monday Night

Company will reveal its plans for a 20-car capacity drive-thru window and 54 spaces of parking on its propsed new location in Novato.

Traffic, parking and a drive-thru for In-N-Out Burger’s proposed location in Novato will be addressed when the company unveils its plans at a neighborhood meeting at Inn Marin on Monday, Aug. 15 at 7 p.m.

Two existing lots make up the 1.10 acre project site between 400 Enfrente Road and 399 Entrada Drive. The parcels are currently occupied by and a former car care center that had been listed for sale for several months.

In-N-Out’s tentative site plan submitted to the city’s planning department shows a drive-thru that will begin at an entrance off Entrada Drive and circle back within the property, holding up to 20 waiting vehicles before reaching the order pick-up window.

Landscaping around the perimiter of the project is planned to mitigate headlights from the on-site traffic, according to the company’s proposal.

The plan also calls for an In-N-Out burger associate to take orders with a hand-held device once the drive-thru exceeds 8 cars. Additionally, 54 parking spaces are included on the lot.

In-N-Out plans to employ 40 burger associates and expects that after the initial opening rush, there will be approximately 10 associates per shift.

The location is in a General Commercial zoning district and In-N-Out is requesting a Conditional Use Permit that will allow them to use the drive-through past 11 p.m. 

Proposed hours of operation for the eatery would have them opening daily at 10:30 a.m. and closing at 1 a.m. Sunday through Thursday; Fridays and Saturdays they would remain open until 1:30 a.m.

Noise, facility design and maintenance are also addressed in the company’s proposal.

Tiffany Tweedie, store manager at Dollhouses, Trains & More is looking forward to the burgers and the changes to the property, particularly the long-closed car care center on Enfrente. “It’s an eyesore and I’m tired of it being the first thing I see when I come into work.”


What:   In-N-Out Burger Neighborhood Meeting
When:  Monday, Aug. 15
Time:    7 p.m.
Where: , 250 Entrada Drive, Novato



Patricia Hess August 15, 2011 at 03:20 PM
What's going to happen to California Bay Nurseries? That is a terrific business--will it move, or close?
Monica August 15, 2011 at 04:15 PM
Is there still going to be an In and Out where the old starbuks was downtown? And if so, isnt one in Novato enough?
Tracey Ruiz August 15, 2011 at 04:42 PM
The old Starbucks on Delong is being remodeled for a Chipotle restaurant.
Brant August 15, 2011 at 04:50 PM
What Novato really needs is light industry - which would pay employees higher wages. However, the location is appropriate for an In-N-Out Burger and most would agree that they produce a great product. Over-all, a good addition to Novato.
Dan Hanlon August 15, 2011 at 05:10 PM
In-N-Out has a history of running clean stores and the corporation is supportive of local schools. The sales tax income to the City cannot be overlooked. I agree, a good addition to Novato.
sheri August 15, 2011 at 05:13 PM
I agree that shut down car place is an eyesore and will be glad to have something new there. If we can have a crappy Jack in the Box in the area, In n Out is a step up. But I can't believe California Bay Nurseries is leaving!!! I love that place. Are they closing for good? Two places I hate to see go out are bookstores and nurseries.
janna nikkola August 15, 2011 at 05:17 PM
I'd also like to know what's going to happen to California Bay Nurseries. I understand this business has been there for 20 years and I would not support In-N-Out Burger's move if the nursery were being forced to move. I remember when these two buys opened the nursery. They'd formerly been employees of the United Market nursery in San Rafael, and went out on their own with their nursery, and do not deserve to be forced out of business. If CA Bay Nursery is in agreement with this move, then I will support it as well, because I DO like their burgers. (By the way, perimeter was misspelled -- it's not "permiter".)
janna nikkola August 15, 2011 at 05:18 PM
Oops! Just noticed my own typo. I mean to write these two "guys".
Sara August 15, 2011 at 07:28 PM
In-n-Out will add about 50 jobs, and that's great. And let's face it, there are enough people in Novato that jobs will *not* be taken away from other fast food businesses. I've not seen notice of a current shortage of burger flippers in the news, nor have I read that Americans are suddenly eating less fast food. Traffic will be a concern as it always is, but that can be mitigated and will lessen over time. So far, everything looks good. Except for that one little thing. The Born Again Christian proselytizing found on the cups, napkins, etc., and the In-n-Out Foundation funding of groups that discriminate against anyone who is gender variant be they gay, lesbian, bi or transgender. As a community we have a choice. We can choose to support the American ideals of equality and freedom for all and still be loving, accepting Christians. Or we can choose to support corporations that promote the subtle and not so subtle discrimination and oppression of those who are different. It's our choice, and our community.
Michael Hoeber Jenkins August 15, 2011 at 09:22 PM
I think we all are missing the bigger picture here. Fast food is not good for you. I own the Body Kinetics Health Club and Spa in Novato and am trying to promote healthy choices for the residents of our community. You may read about adult and childhood obesity and it does happen right here in Marin County. High calorie fat loaded cheap food is not a good choice for our kids or anyone else. How about locally grown, organic fruits and vegetables? How about more farmer's markets that support your local farmer, and leaves the money right here in Marin County. How about the environment? 30% of trash is made up of fast food waste. Every time you remove a locally owned business and replace it with a out of area chain you diminish your community. I live, work and spend money right here in Marin County. I actually live a 10 minute walk from the In & Out burger in Strawberry. Right across the street is Harmony Chinese Restaurant which has great healthy organic choices. Bring your own container, they have takeout!
Tony Elshout August 15, 2011 at 09:24 PM
Understand the owner is ill and is happy to sell
Linda Riedel August 15, 2011 at 10:34 PM
In n Out. . . . I say let em in!!!!
Jeff Arnold August 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM
Let there be an In-N-Out in Novato, sheesh. We have Taco Bells, McDonalds, and Jack-in-the-Boxes which aren't half as good, clean, or beneficial to the community. In-N-Out at least doesn't freeze it's meat, buys local produce, pays its employees better than its competition and offers benefits. Sure they're owned by Mormons--it's still the least harmful fast food on the market.
Linda Riedel August 16, 2011 at 12:04 AM
And Jeff, let's face it, for many folks in Novato, this will be the most economical, nutritious meal they will get in a day. Just hope the traffic rush won't get too messy. Novato will LOVE In & Out.
janna nikkola August 16, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Michael, of course we should all be eating more fresh vegetables, and the Novato Farmer's Market is very popular and well attended. I don't know of a fast food restaurant that serves locally grown, organic fruits and vegetables (but McDonald's does sell salads). Maybe that'd be a good new business opportunity for YOU!
Cliff Jacobs August 16, 2011 at 01:08 AM
I just moved to Novato from Southern CA 2 weeks ago. I grew up in Northern NJ and love it here. The people are friendly and considerate and downright neighborly. I really like the fact that folks here are very interested in this community, and care enough to opine on this matter. I will be at the meeting tonight at the Inn Marin and hope to meet some of you there. Cliff Jacobs
Thomas August 16, 2011 at 01:09 AM
First, Harmoney is high priced food in a sit down, wait, and be served environment. Totally different. Second, your point is well understood and probably more so in Marin where we consume a higher than average amount of local and organic produce. However people are going to have a burger from time to time for various reasons, and life is good for it. The point is made if people actually make this a point to consume these foods mostly, which is bad - but their are worse than in-and-out around.
Lou Judson August 16, 2011 at 03:50 AM
Just came back from the meeeting was was pretty amazed at the small but boisterous opposition! Most there seemed supportive, though, and we look forward to the developments. After all, how many other new businesses in the loacl area had meetings like this? Probably more than I know about but then, we liked having the old Safeway and Bell markets - now all we have is an ugly eyesore of a shopping center at Nave. The In N Out will be a great addition and will actually class up that corner of the area. People woried about the negative impacts seem to mostly be looking at things that are not really going to be issues... The dvabgates far ouitweight thir imgined problems, I feel.
Lou Judson August 16, 2011 at 04:38 AM
I meant "Hamilton Market[place" an eyesore to me. I like to see the stars and all the light pollution they send straight up and all around is extremely un-green, and I find the buildings ugly. Pardon my misspellings above!
Charles Thompson August 16, 2011 at 04:54 AM
After reading Sara's comments, I Googled In N Out to see if I could find any corroboration. I couldn't find anything really negative. I'm in favor of this new business in Novato, although I'm concerned about the location's lack of visibility and freeway access. It's up to the business owners to decide that this is a good opportunity. I like Mexican food, but I'm so glad to have another choice come into Novato.
Craig Knowlton August 16, 2011 at 07:21 AM
Choices should be the operative word here.
PENNY POTEET August 16, 2011 at 05:39 PM
Sorry to tell you, but that is going to be a Chipotle restaurant. They have already started construction on it.
Cliff Jacobs August 16, 2011 at 08:12 PM
It was a very interesting meeting last night. I love In-N-Out Burger's food; and the way they contribute to the community. I was not convinced that the site location is optimal, or even feasible for the amount of commerce typical of this very popular restaurant. The quality of life of the very local residents would definately be impacted, and they were absolutely passionate and relentless in letting that be known; but there was also a strong contingent of supporters in attendance that favored and welcomed the restaurant. They also wanted this restaurant for several non food related reasons, such as the great jobs that would be created, beautifying the currently blighted property where it is proposed to be built, and the fact that In-N-Out is a great community partner and supporter.


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