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Why I'm Against the Flu Shot

Jane had the flu for three weeks. She got it after standing in line for six hours to get the flu shot.

Modern medicine says that environment doesn’t matter; a virus causes the flu. Chinese medicine says that cold weather, wind and rain enter the body via points on the neck just below the ear.

Grandmother was right. You can prevent illness by staying warm and covering your neck.

I am against the flu shot for many reasons.  It doesn’t make the body stronger. You are only protected against three potential strains of virus that may or may not be the one you get. There are thousands of viral strains with new ones mutating every day. Some years the shot doesn't actually protect against the strain of virus that we end up having here. In a person with weak immunity the shot can stress the system more, possibly leading to worse illness.

Paying attention to your body and using the environment as a guide at all times of year is a basic tenet in Chinese medicine. Each season represents a different organ system and there are unique challenges to taking optimal care of that organ. Winter is the time of the kidneys — the source of vitality and energy. Preventing illness now includes getting plenty of rest, keeping your body warm, and avoiding stress. You can keep your natural state of balance by using common sense, listening to your body, and watching what is going on in your life.

This winter you can stay healthy by taking medicinal mushrooms, such as Host Defense. Whole Foods Novato and Pharmaca have many other mushroom formulas to offer. Make sure you are taking plenty of vitamin C, a good multi-vitamin and essential fatty acids such as fish or flax oil.

Next fall, begin a flu prevention program early by boosting your vitamin intake and using lung-building herbs including astragalus. Acupuncture can also help your body have smooth seasonal transitions. It works by balancing your energy so that your immune system won't invite viruses in to play.

It’s winter, but it doesn’t mean you have to get the flu. Check in with your emotions, your stress level and monitor how you are managing your health. Good health is within arms reach.

Bob

6:45 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Sorry Doc, but I think you have been snorting too many mushrooms!! As you know about thirty six thousand people die each year from the flu. We are not talking about a bad cold here. Thanks for your advice but I am going with the shot.

P.S. I think it was clever to say Jane got the flu while waiting in line for a flu shot but most folks don't know where they picked up the virus.

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Shiroko Sokitch, MD

1:49 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Thank you for your comment Bob. Studies show that the vaccine effectiveness is dependent on whether or not the virus that arrives for the season is the one you are protected against. But overall effectiveness is only about 60%. I'd rather be healthy and be 100% able to protect myself than only 60%.

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Bob

1:58 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Doctor, then am I understanding you to say that your regimen is 100%

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marie Borders

4:37 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Bob, the article doesn't say that Jane CONTRACTED the flu while in line for the vaccination, but that she got it in SPITE of her efforts by waiting in line and obtaining the shot. There are probably as many approaches to health as there are practitioners, and the suggestion that stress contributes to illness is elementary, as is ingesting larger quantities than usual of immune system-bolstering vitamins and supplements, eating properly and exercising regularly. People with healthier immune systems don't catch every flu or virus that circulates the human population. Get the damned flu shot, but don't bank on it protecting you absolutely.

LP

7:52 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

I actually agree, know your body before getting the flu shot. The one year I did get the flu shot I never got the flu, but I did get the most colds ever. I normally get one or two colds a year. I can deal with that. Should I ever have a suppressed immune system, then I'll consider the flu shot. Until then, I'll listen to my body and let the natural antibodies work.

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Shiroko Sokitch, MD

1:49 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Thank you for your comment. I would support you taking care of your immune system so that you never have to worry about it being suppressed.

Bill

8:04 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012

Herd immunity (or community immunity) describes a form of immunity that occurs when the vaccination of a significant portion of a population (or herd) provides a measure of protection for individuals who have not developed immunity. Vaccination acts as a sort of firebreak or firewall in the spread of the disease, slowing or preventing further transmission of the disease to others.Unvaccinated individuals are indirectly protected by vaccinated individuals, as the latter will not contract and transmit the disease between infected and susceptible individuals. Hence, a public health policy of herd immunity may be used to reduce spread of an illness and provide a level of protection to a vulnerable, unvaccinated subgroup. Get the shot for yourself, and for those weaker than you.

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Shiroko Sokitch, MD

1:51 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Bill, thank you for your comment. I disagree about it in the case of the flu shot because of the great variability of viruses you could get. Its not like small pox or polio, where the disease is defined and hasn't changed in many years. This is a disease that mutates many times and often isn't fully predictable which virus will show up this year.

Celeste Anne

12:36 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Is there mercury in the flu shot?
If so, don't get a flu shot

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Shiroko Sokitch, MD

1:52 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

mercury is one of the preservatives used in vaccinations and one of the theories about autism is that it is caused by mercury in the shots.

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Bob

2:06 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Doctor, as I understand it, the Mercury used as a preservative in vaccinations, has not been used for 5-7 years and during that time the rate for autism has stayed level or increased slightly and most scientists no longer believe there is a connection.

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Bill

1:30 pm on Tuesday, January 31, 2012

I think many scientists would have a very hard time with that statement regarding mercury.....
The research that launched an enduring but apparently erroneous belief that autism is caused by a common childhood vaccination has been debunked, disclaimed -- and now debunked again.

Last February the British medical journal the Lancet retracted a study it had published in 1998 in which British researcher Andrew Wakefield suggested that the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine triggered autism. Wakefield's science proved shoddy and his methods questionable.

That stance was reinforced by the publication in another British medical journal, BMJ, of an analysis that finds Wakefield's research was in fact a fraud. Journalist Brian Deer outlines a series of discrepancies and irregularities, including falsification of data, in Wakefield's earth-shattering work that remained unquestioned for years.

miarun

8:17 am on Friday, January 27, 2012

Thanks for writing this. It's brave to speak up on this subject as opinions are strong and emotions tend to run high. For the moment we are lucky enough to have a choice whether or not we vaccinate, and I believe more study is needed that is not funded (either directly or indirectly) by the pharmaceutical industry. I wanted to mention that another wonderful resource for self care is Gathering Thyme in San Anselmo. There are helpful and gifted herbalists in the store who can steer you to what you need.

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Shiroko Sokitch, MD

1:53 pm on Sunday, January 29, 2012

Thank you Miarun. I agree, more information is needed but then again, you have more control if you just take care of your body and your immune system up front by being healthy. That is something we are in control of.

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MMW

1:12 pm on Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Read about the great flu epidemic of 1917 that swept the globe three times. More people died form the flu than from WWI. btw where did you do your residency and fellowship? Perchance are you boarded?

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Edwin Drake

7:42 pm on Tuesday, January 31, 2012

I understand the Patch has a "free speech" policy, but posting this anti-vaccine opinion piece is a danger to public health. It's the year 2012, and a thing called "medical science" has a whole lot of statistics and studies that show you are wrong on every point regarding the dangers of vaccine. You, my dear Madam, are a danger to public health and as a father in Novato I resent you passing your uninformed opinion as medical fact.

And, fwiw, there is little if any "science" to Chinese medicine. Most of it is not reproducible, little of it can be double-blind tested, and that which can is usally folk remedy that has been handed down. (Witness use against malaria of traditional herb, qing hao-su or artemisinin, which even then is supplemented by "western" drugs.) It's a wonderful and rich cultural heritage, but it's not something that can reinforce itself based on trial and testing.

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John

7:11 pm on Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Dr, why would you make the statement that there is mercury in vaccines & that it is one of the theorized links between vaccines and autism??? Thimerosal hasn't been used in any vaccines since 2002, and the link between mercury and autism has been completely & thoroughly debunked. You are a medical doctor, and should know better. To make statements like that is irresponsible and dangerous. Also, why do you suppose that eastern and western medicines are mutually exclusive? Flu vaccinations may only been 60% effective, but that's a massive improvement over 0. Do you have similar peer reviewed, epidemiological studies for your herbs?

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Bob

7:46 am on Thursday, February 2, 2012

It is articles like this that make folks question if they should get the flu shot or have their children vaccinated. When I first read the article I thought it might have been written by Jenny McCarthy.

Shiroko Sokitch, MD

10:48 pm on Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Well, there certainly are a lot of comments and statements. Let me just respond to all of you, that I am fully in favor of Western medicine and do prescribe and give medications to my patients, when they need it. I give antibiotics, and do appropriate testing as needed. I am in fact in favor of some vaccinations, when they are for defined, illnesses with proven success such as small pox, pertussis, polio etc.
There is still thimerisol in some vaccines, supposedly not in toxic doses. Chinese medicine is a document, proven modality approved by the World Health Organization and the FDA for a number of conditions which were studied and documented before they were approved. Additionally it has been in use for over 5000 years as an effective healing modality.
I'm really happy to see that you all feel so strongly about your points of view and wish you the very best in your healing quests.

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Scott

11:22 am on Monday, February 6, 2012

Your anti-vaccine stance is not based in current science. Yes, the flu shot protects people against only certain strains but what you leave out, either deliberately or incompetently, is the strains protected for in the vaccine are selected every year by epidemiologists who study the strains most likely to be active during the year. You allude to it by saying some years the shot doesn't protect against the strain that actually arrives her but neglect to mention the infrequency of such an occurrence or the frequency with which the vaccine accurately targets the active strains.

This is dishonest at best. The flu shot works in vast majority of cases and significantly protects society. Your essay, by implication, vastly overstates the downsides of the flu shot and at the same time ignores its hugely significant societal benefits.

There has never been a validated link between vaccines and autism. Period. You are dangerous. If people were to heed your words, as they have ACTORS (a sad commentary on the gullibility of the public) who've made similar cases on the DTaP vaccine, the results would be similar - a dramatic increase in flu and deaths as has been the case with whooping cough and measles that DTaP protects against.

People like you are destroying the great works of the likes of Hilleman and Salk based on unconvincing evidence. These men have saved far more lives than you ever will. Please do the responsible thing and retract your comments.

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marie Borders

4:18 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

What a thoughtful, civil response, Edwin...you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Citizen

9:26 am on Friday, February 3, 2012

The column starts out, “Jane had the flu for three weeks. She got it after standing in line for six hours to get the flu shot.” First, unless there was a genomic analysis of Jane’s strain of flu, there is no way to know where she ‘got’ it. Second, almost every drug store and many grocery stores with pharmacies offer a flu shot ($25, insurance pays if you’ve got it, there are NO lines). Third, this statement implies that Jane got the flu from the flu shot (which contains inactivated virus). Fourth, flu symptoms typically last 1 week; 3 weeks is aberrantly long.
In short, the author uses falsehoods and scare tactics to try to convince readers not to get the flu shot. The column is a mix of truths (the vaccine only protects against a few strains of flu, which are predicted, but not guaranteed, to be prevalent that year) and weirdness (kidneys [are] the source of vitality and energy; wind and rain enter the body via points on the neck just below the ear; eating mushrooms protects you 100% against the flu [see the author’s comments, above]).

What we do know is that the flu can kill. Mostly it doesn’t, but sometimes it does. Just last year a kindergartener in Mill Valley contracted the flu and died. The flu shot may not always be protective, but sometimes it is. Personally I’d rather protect myself against a few strains than against no strains. Not everyone should get the shot, but everyone should use reputable medical information to make an educated decision.

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Bill McGee

9:59 pm on Saturday, February 4, 2012

Doctor - I am astonished with your advice but first two things stand out for me regarding your follow-up comments.

First, you wrote "mercury is one of the preservatives used in vaccinations" but then you failed to acknowledge or deny that mercury has not been used for about ten years, nor did you address the comment that there has been no link established to autism.

Second, you did not respond to the question about your residency and fellowship.
Your non-response to these two items is a red flag, but that is not what is most troubling to me.

I think your advice by Grandmother, and to get plenty of rest, keep your body warm, avoid stress, and boost immune systems through nutrition etc. are solid and can stand alone as beneficial.

However you said "I am against the flu shot for many reasons". As someone who reports to be a medical doctor, I expected you to cite some studies, reviews or other scientific documentation to support your opposition, yet you provided nothing of the sort!

The closest you came to providing just one of your “many reasons” is some vague reference to “a person with weak immunity the shot can stress the system more”. What?

I find your position of being "against the flu shot" is a disservice to those that trust in your profession.

I just hope no one dies from the flu after following your advice.

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Bill

12:23 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

I'd like to ask the good Dr a question. Your alma mater, University of Washington requires all medical students to be immunized.
" Documentation of immunization compliance is required of all medical students prior to matriculation. All medical students must maintain compliance with these requirements throughout their tenure in the medical school program, even while in a non-clinical segment of the curriculum. If reported as non-compliant, the student will not be allowed to train in patient care settings...INFLUENZA: Influenza vaccination is offered as a benefit of the health fee each fall to health sciences students. Annual vaccination is required by the SOM. The CDC guidelines recommend the vaccine in order to protect staff, patients, and family members, and to decrease health care worker absenteeism. Many clinical placement sites expect students to provide proof of current influenza vaccination.

So a very simple question is this.....assuming this was the policy when you graduated in 1984, would you have refused it? Or would you have told the compliance dept that your immunity system was strong enough that you would in no way endanger patients or those around you........

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John Parnell

8:49 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

Doctor - Did you go to the Jenny McCarthy School of Medicine? I'm surprised to see you are an MD, and seem to ignore all the clinical data. I don't have an issue with herbal supplements in the least; but to augment, not replace traditional Western medicine. I think what you are recommending is truly medically negligent. Are you just trying to increase your patient base?

As a side note, I have just spent the last few days with the worst flu of my life. This is one of the only years in which I have not had a flu shot (I've been a bit busy of late). My wife is now ill, and I am terrified that my two toddler children get this. To then see this on our Patch - well, to be polite, let's just say I am deeply saddened to see your blog.

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John Ferguson

10:02 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012

I hope the first and the second paragraphs are mutually exclusive, Mr. Parnell. Correlation is not causation and you have no idea whether the flu shot would have kept you from getting the flu this year. Sorry you got sick, but it's far from the Dr's fault that you are..

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Edwin Drake

12:05 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

John Ferguson: Generally the words "as a side note," which began John Parnell's second paragraph do, in fact, indicate the coming thought is exclusive of the previous thought. I point this out because it continues to amaze me how little people actually read and/or understand the posts. It's not uncommon for people to misread and mischaracterize a comment, and accuse someone of saying something they never did. Please, everyone, read carefully. If you must, feel free to move your lips while you read to yourself. It may help with understanding.

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John Ferguson

12:52 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Thanks for the grammar lesson, Edwin. Next you'll be offering me tips about online etiquette..

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John Parnell

4:21 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

John - No, I don't blame the Dr., or my lack of a shot - I blame you! OK, maybe not. Bill's Herd Immunity explanation above though, explains why it is important. It is truly sad that so many kids in schools aren't getting vaccinated, and is the reason why we have seen a resurgence of diseases that we thought we had eradicated. If there was a school in Marin that still required all kids to get their vaccines, I'd try to make sure my kids attended

I understand the Dr.'s explanation of the flu shot being different from the polio vaccine due to the flu's variations. However, I still feel it is extremely important, especially in kids & the elderly. My great-grandfather died in the flu epidemic of 1918, and my family has a strong medical background, so maybe I'm just biased.

(Oh, and please call me John. Although if it's the picture of me in a tie that is earning me the "Mr.", then maybe I should wear one more often. Brent wanted a current picture, and it was the only one I had of just me. I had a rare business meeting that required it, and my wife was so shocked to see me dressed up that she insisted on taking a picture.)

Alex Zwissler

3:35 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

A great thread of comments on this...I share the sentiments of all of you who reject the pseudo-science of Dr. Sokitch, and am particularly gratified to see the number of folks willing to challenge the fear stoking claims against vaccination with data to back you up.

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John Parnell

4:58 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012

Alex - I knew that we probably agreed on more things than the one we don't.

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